tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6798538297188067689.post4325443276015569444..comments2023-10-29T05:27:33.892-07:00Comments on Jewish Simplicity: On polar bears and politicsrebmotihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05259844549383052794noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6798538297188067689.post-61627684804373134432009-01-29T20:34:00.000-08:002009-01-29T20:34:00.000-08:00I ask questions Moti--as you do. The thing is I do...I ask questions Moti--as you do. <BR/>The thing is I don't stop asking until I really feel satisfied. I don't feel satisfied with what I've read on climate change--or experienced--or what I learned observing the school system and politics etc. <BR/><BR/>I still believe it is arrogant to assume that anyone who doesn't agree with you must be willfully wrong. But- I will rest my case on it. There are some things we cannot agree about. <BR/><BR/>I will say I am sure that climate change and global warming are possible--and that humankind will/ maybe has-- already-- cause environmental problems --as that is actually very much in line with the whole idea of sin nature and a Biblical view of the world -- however--at this time, I don't think the science is as good as you say. If you see that as willful --so be it.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11308992169354124015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6798538297188067689.post-45718603048186232822009-01-29T09:26:00.000-08:002009-01-29T09:26:00.000-08:00"Consensus isn't always the same as truth. Actuall..."Consensus isn't always the same as truth. Actually it seldom is." <BR/><BR/>As opposed to, say, the willful ignoring of facts one doesn't happen to agree with?rebmotihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05259844549383052794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6798538297188067689.post-3838662140760247702009-01-29T08:05:00.000-08:002009-01-29T08:05:00.000-08:00Hmm.. maybe I shouldn't have said that most scient...Hmm.. maybe I shouldn't have said that most scientists believed the world was flat--I think there just was a time when most at least claimed to believe that. Also--there are far more scientists than 3 or 5 % who do not agree with the current science. They simply aren't being counted.(at least not outloud)Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11308992169354124015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6798538297188067689.post-69078658397354091372009-01-29T07:55:00.000-08:002009-01-29T07:55:00.000-08:00You may have a bit of a point--Most Christians do ...You may have a bit of a point--Most Christians do believe in being good stewards of the earth. However, we also believe in genuiness. Which is why we have a problem with Al Gore. <BR/><BR/>This 95% is meaningless to me though as I know this is an ideological and political thing more than a true science thing. <BR/><BR/>Most scientists at one time believed the earth was flat, they probably had a much easier time with the governments and churches at that time period than say, Gallileo. Consensus isn't always the same as truth. Actually it seldom is.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11308992169354124015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6798538297188067689.post-17539282867052233392009-01-29T07:02:00.000-08:002009-01-29T07:02:00.000-08:00Well, I know there are many people who feel that w...Well, I know there are many people who feel that way. Obviously, I disagree - to me this is a willful and partisan decision to ignore of the overwhelming (95, 98%) scientific consensus, and that's what seems arrogant to me. <BR/><BR/>But the point of the presentation at the meeting was that if we're interested in getting buy-in on climate stewardship from people who believe as you do, the language of climate change and science simply cannot be used. It has to be framed as earth stewardship, or simply as a way to save money on church energy costs. And the overall point of the post was that even people who claim to understand and agree with the science also are not necessarily motivated to change by it either, and they also need the ideas to be reframed into ideas that they find more important, like jobs and energy. I think that kind of language might be effective in churches as well.rebmotihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05259844549383052794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6798538297188067689.post-62570938692015558552009-01-29T04:56:00.000-08:002009-01-29T04:56:00.000-08:00Well you know, there is still a very significant p...Well you know, there is still a very significant part of the population that believes global warming is not proven--and that even if there is global warming it may not be caused at all by or at least in a significant way by humans. The thing is though--those who do belive in it--simply cannot believe anyone else on the plant is intelligent enough to make up their own minds on this. It strikes many of us as pretty darn arrogant. Another thing that I would like to point out is that global warming folks or climate change folks seem to never consider alternative explanations for things like ice cap melting--such as undersea volcanic activity. They seem to be very much married to an ideology--which to me says they are not scientists. So-- I dunno.. Maybe it is the fact that it just isn't getting warmer that has been the reason folks are not interested in spending $$ on it--even if it is renamed climate change.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11308992169354124015noreply@blogger.com